Robert Holmgren wrote:You mayn't need or use them (though I should expect a scholar, as opposed to an editor, would have MORE need of themIf you asked me what Orbis and Ibidem and Lingua and Frameworks are, I couldn't tell you. It's interesting to look at their Order page, and see what they think are "competitive products". M$Word? Word Perfect? Nope. Instead, they're things I never heard of (plus, incongruously, XyWrite): Citation, Reference Manager, Procite, Endnote. Those five products. This is a marketing strategy? Crazy.)). But some people do. And would find them enormously helpful if they work as expected. Say you've written your book doing your notes as foot- or endnotes and your bibliography in Turabian style. And now the publisher wants author-date citations and a different format for the biblio. IF these tools really work, you wouldn't have to retype a thing; just reformat. (Of course, that would have put me out of work: I made reformatting notes and references while copy editing my specialité de la maison for years.)Patricia M. Godfrey priscamg@xxxxxxxx