RE: No TrueType 141?

["Frank Kenneth B." KBF@xxxxxxxx]

I don't know that I can help with XyWin, but in SmartWords we have a new
default, "AN" which when set to 1 uses the ANSI character set, and in
that event both of the characters to which you refer appear properly.


K.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Wolfgang Bechstein [SMTP:wolfie@xxxxxxxx]
> Sent:	Monday, November 10, 1997 8:59 PM
> To:	xywrite@xxxxxxxx
> Subject:	Re: No TrueType 141?
>
> It seems like Peter Evans still hasn't got a satisfactory answer to
> his--in my opinion eminently sensible and not that hard to
> grasp--query
> about how to enter certain ANSI characters in XyWin. I'm afraid I
> won't
> be able to provide a definite answer either, but I would just like to
> offer some corroboration of what his problem is. I am surprised (or
> maybe
> not) that noone from TTG has offered any advice. Robert Holmgren has
> made
> valiant attempts, but pardon my saying so, it seems that some of what
> he
> said is bogus (possibly because he is not using Windows at
> all--correct
> me if I'm wrong).
>
> To recapitulate, Evans is running Windows 95 without any special code
> page specified. Using the Wingdings TTF character set as an example,
> the
> following situation exists:
>
> Wingdings has a black circle enclosing a white 2 at position (decimal)
> 0141 and a bold arrow pointing northeast at position 0236. This is
> easily
> verifiable using the Character Map applet that comes with Windows, and
> it
> is also shown for example in the table "Windows 95 TrueType Character
> Sets" on page 495 of the book *Windows 95 Secrets* (IDG). Any "normal"
> Windows program that allows selecting the font and entering characters
> with the Alt-Num- method should give these glyphs (I've
> verified
> it with WordPad and Word for Windows, and Evans with WordPerfect):
>
> Alt-Num-0141  circled 2
> Alt-Num-0236  NE arrow
>
> Holmgren says that MSWrite gives
>
> Alt-Shift-0141 NE arrow
>
> but, like Evans, I find this hard to believe. Or rather, I suspect
> that
> either MSWrite (which is not bundled with Win 95 or NT any more) uses
> some kind of non-standard ANSI mapping or that the (assumed) fact that
> Holmgren is running the program under OS/2 does something to the
> character mapping. Holmgren also says that printing out all 255
> characters in his Times New Roman gives "255 glyphs, each one unique".
> Again, this contradicts sources such as the above mentioned book,
> which
> shows that positions 0128, 0129, 0141-0144, 0157, and 0158 are empty
> in
> the Times Roman TTF font that comes with Win95.
>
> But to return to the XyWin issue. Under XyWin, with the Wingdings font
> selected, I get the following:
>
> Alt-Shift-0141  NE arrow
> Alt-Shift-0236  nothing
>
> There seems to be no obvious way of getting at the black circled 2
> (ANSI
> 0141) in XyWin. Copying that character into the clipboard (for example
> with the Character Map applet of Windows) and pasting from the
> clipboard
> into XyWin, as Evans says, does NOT work: nothing gets inserted.
> Copying
> ANSI 0236 on the other hand does work, it inserts the NE arrow. Now
> Evans
> (and I, for one) would be very interested in learning how to insert
> ANSI
> 0141 in XyWin. In other words, is there a way to get XyWin to
> (temporarily) use the ANSI character mapping rather than its own? (And
> frankly, I was rather surprised to hear guru par excellence Holmgren
> ask
> "what XyWrite character set?". Has he never, I wonder, looked at the
> 35-page long Appendix B in the XyWin manual, which starts thus:
> "XyWrite
> has a unique character set that is designed to support a wide range of
> languages. The following pages show all 909 XyWrite characters."?)
>
> Wolfgang Bechstein
> wolfie@xxxxxxxx