Msg: Re: Win 7 64 Bit

On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 8:40 PM, mailto:Writer892@xxxxxxxx wrote:

When I bought my first Win7 machine, I found DOS programs would not run on 64-bit. I purchased a copy of Home Premium, which provides disks for both 32- and 64-bit versions. I loaded the 32-bit and XyWrite runs fine with a few quirks, although I can't get it to send to the printer.

I use Word on a XyWrite file to do that. The biggest aggravation is that XyWrite spontaneously begins to display cap letters in the middle of a sentence. I can't figure out why.

Bob Ashley

Indianapolis

In a message dated 11/24/2012 2:59:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mailto:hb@xxxxxxxx writes:

Jon,

This is disappoint to hear. I understand that XyWrite needs XP's ntvdm.exe
(and maybe other pgms like ntvdm.dll), and I wonder if just forcing those
into a System32 folder would do the trick. Unlikely.

I ordered a Win 7 64 system (Lenovo) a couple of days ago. When it arrives,
I'll try various things.

Regards,
Harry

>When I got my Win 7 Pro computer I tried running Editor.exe in XP
>compatibility mode. No go. XyWrite is not a 32-bit program--apparently the
>minimum for Win 7. It appears to me that XP compatibility mode is not the
>same as having a virtual XP installed (which is the VMWare solution--I
>believe you need an XP disk to install it in VMWare.)
>
>I'm running XY4 under DOSBox.
>
>http://www.dosbox.com/download.php?main=1
>
>I ran Carl's Portable.PM in the old machine and copied that installation,
>as per Carl's instructions.
>
>http://www.freelists.org/post/xywrite/Portable-Xy4-made-easy
>
>My XY4 works in one, un-scalable size with the Courier font. TAMEDos
>doesn't run in DOSBox, and I haven't been able to change fonts with XY's
>Settings.dfl or anything else. You can change the window size with DOSBox,
>but the letters blur. Or you can run fullscreen, also un-blurred.
>
>I don't print from XY, so I can't speak to that.
>
>Still, XY in DOSBox does just about everything I need (thesaurus, etc.)
>except Carl's invaluable CLIP.exe program for exchanging info between XY
>and the Windows clipboard. However, I did find this one-way program that
>pastes from the Windows Clipboard INTO XY with the PAUSE key (apparently
>not a customizable choice).
>http://vogons.zetafleet.com/viewtopic.php?t=32714&sid=e28e387c9b2aff5e98e650778e715b13
>
>For pasting XY to Windows I open the XY file in, sigh, Notepad, and
>cut-and-paste.
>
>Carl had another method, using Nirsoft utilities, but...it was over my head.
>http://www.nirsoft.net/
>
>Search this mailing list for his advice on Nirsoft.
>
>DOSBox has its own fairly transparent settings program, dosbox.conf. For
>instance, you may have to change your display setting to VGAonly, and you
>can make opening DOSBox go directly to XY instead of having to manually
>shell into XY each time you open DOSBox. If you are interested in using
>DOSBox I can forward you a copy of my tweaked DOSBox settings.
>
>The good thing about DOSBox is that it reads your XY installation as the
>C: drive, but Windows can also find it for the Notepad trick or other
>uses. You don't have to place XY inside a virtual machine that regular
>Windows can't access.
>
>When installing, I got some good ideas from Ed Mendelson's Wordperfect for
>DOS page, most of which I have forgotten now.
>
>http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/
>
>
>I haven't tried the VMWare method, so if you have an XP installation disc,
>that might work just as well. But if not, DOSBox is effective.
>
>Jon Pareles
>
>
>
>--- On Tue, 11/20/12, FreeLists Mailing List Manager
>mailto:ecartis@xxxxxxxx wrote:
>
> > From: FreeLists Mailing List Manager mailto:ecartis@xxxxxxxx
> > Subject: xywrite Digest V4 #107
> > To: "xywrite digest users" mailto:ecartis@xxxxxxxx
> > Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 1:06 AM
> > xywrite Digest Mon,
> > 19 Nov 2012 Volume: 04 Issue: 107
> >
> > In This Issue:
> > Re: Win 7 64 bit
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 08:51:32 -0500
> > From: Harry Binswanger mailto:hb@xxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: Win 7 64 bit
> >
> > Bill,
> >
> > Thank you. You say that you had an old disk of XP, so that
> > means one has to
> > supply that oneself? It doesn't come with VM player but does
> > it with XP
> > compatibility mode?
> >
> >
> > >On 11/17/2012 7:11 PM, Harry Binswanger wrote:
> > >>I have read over all the posts on Win 7 64 but admit
> > to being confused.
> > >>If I buy a 64 bit Win 7 laptop, doesn't it include
> > an "XP compatibility"
> > >>module? If so, will I be able to run Xy in that?
> > >>
> > >>If not, I gather that VMware Player is the best way
> > to go. Am I correct
> > >>that it comes with a version of XP, so that I don't
> > have install that OS
> > >>from a disc?
> > >>
> > >>Help appreciated.
> > >>
> > >
> > >Harry,
> > >
> > >The XP compatibility module is part of Windows 7
> > (64-bit) Professional and
> > >highter only. My machine came, about six months ago,
> > with Home Premium,
> > >thus no XP, and I fully expected I would take the offer
> > to upgrade to
> > >Professional by now. But I decided to try VMWare Player
> > first, using an
> > >old XP disk that I already had. It works extremely well
> > for me, with the
> > >added advantage that I also have a full install of Linux
> > Ubuntu (12.04)
> > >also under under VMWare Player. It's amazing what 8 gigs
> > of ram and a
> > >terabyte of disk space makes possible. You don't need
> > VMWare Desktop, just
> > >the free player. It works well for me.
> > >
> > >Cheers,
> > >
> > >Bill TeBrake
> > >UMaine History Emeritus
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:26:35 -0500
> > From: "William H. TeBrake" mailto:tebrake@xxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: Win 7 64 bit
> >
> > Harry,
> >
> > As I understand it, Win 7 Pro or above includes some version
> > of XP to
> > provide the compatibility. Perhaps someone who has the Pro
> > version can
> > correct me if I am wrong. In my case, I replaced an old Dell
> > desktop
> > with a new Dell, and the new Dell accepted the XP
> > "reinstall" disk that
> > came with the old Dell. VMWare Player allows you to set up
> > space (both
> > ram and hard disk) to run other operating systems within it.
> > So, on my
> > new wide-screen monitor I can have my Win 7 machine on the
> > left and XP
> > (and/or Ubuntu) running on the right within VMWare Player,
> > allowing me
> > to drag and drop between them and much more. VMWare
> > has utilities that
> > allow the OSs running within it to use printer, scanner,
> > network
> > connection, etc., from the host machine (Win 7). So far,
> > this has worked
> > flawlessly for me. For example, I am a NotaBene user (have
> > version 9 on
> > the XP machine and beta of version 10 on Win 7) and can keep
> > files
> > created/edited on one of those sync with the files on the
> > other
> > automatically using Dropbox. This is because the indexing
> > modules for
> > the bibliography and text manipulation parts of NotaBene --
> > yes, I'm
> > very dependent on them -- are still being developed. I just
> > try to make
> > sure that I don't edit the same file simultaneously in both
> > versions. So
> > far, it has worked without a glitch. Your mileage may vary.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > On 11/19/2012 8:51 AM, Harry Binswanger wrote:
> > > Bill,
> > >
> > > Thank you. You say that you had an old disk of XP, so
> > that means one
> > > has to supply that oneself? It doesn't come with VM
> > player but does it
> > > with XP compatibility mode?
> > >
> > >
> > >> On 11/17/2012 7:11 PM, Harry Binswanger wrote:
> > >>> I have read over all the posts on Win 7 64 but
> > admit to being confused.
> > >>> If I buy a 64 bit Win 7 laptop, doesn't it
> > include an "XP
> > >>> compatibility"
> > >>> module? If so, will I be able to run Xy in
> > that?
> > >>>
> > >>> If not, I gather that VMware Player is the best
> > way to go. Am I correct
> > >>> that it comes with a version of XP, so that I
> > don't have install
> > >>> that OS
> > >>> from a disc?
> > >>>
> > >>> Help appreciated.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> Harry,
> > >>
> > >> The XP compatibility module is part of Windows 7
> > (64-bit)
> > >> Professional and highter only. My machine came,
> > about six months ago,
> > >> with Home Premium, thus no XP, and I fully expected
> > I would take the
> > >> offer to upgrade to Professional by now. But I
> > decided to try VMWare
> > >> Player first, using an old XP disk that I already
> > had. It works
> > >> extremely well for me, with the added advantage
> > that I also have a
> > >> full install of Linux Ubuntu (12.04) also under
> > under VMWare Player.
> > >> It's amazing what 8 gigs of ram and a terabyte of
> > disk space makes
> > >> possible. You don't need VMWare Desktop, just the
> > free player. It
> > >> works well for me.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >>
> > >> Bill TeBrake
> > >> UMaine History Emeritus
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:10:31 -0500
> > From: Harry Binswanger mailto:hb@xxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: Win 7 64 bit
> >
> > Thanks very much Bill. This does answer my question.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Harry
> >
> > >Harry,
> > >
> > >As I understand it, Win 7 Pro or above includes some
> > version of XP to
> > >provide the compatibility. Perhaps someone who has the
> > Pro version can
> > >correct me if I am wrong. In my case, I replaced an old
> > Dell desktop with
> > >a new Dell, and the new Dell accepted the XP "reinstall"
> > disk that came
> > >with the old Dell. VMWare Player allows you to set up
> > space (both ram and
> > >hard disk) to run other operating systems within it. So,
> > on my new
> > >wide-screen monitor I can have my Win 7 machine on the
> > left and XP (and/or
> > >Ubuntu) running on the right within VMWare Player,
> > allowing me to drag and
> > >drop between them and much more. VMWare has
> > utilities that allow the OSs
> > >running within it to use printer, scanner, network
> > connection, etc., from
> > >the host machine (Win 7). So far, this has worked
> > flawlessly for me. For
> > >example, I am a NotaBene user (have version 9 on the XP
> > machine and beta
> > >of version 10 on Win 7) and can keep files
> > created/edited on one of those
> > >sync with the files on the other automatically using
> > Dropbox. This is
> > >because the indexing modules for the bibliography and
> > text manipulation
> > >parts of NotaBene -- yes, I'm very dependent on them --
> > are still being
> > >developed. I just try to make sure that I don't edit the
> > same file
> > >simultaneously in both versions. So far, it has worked
> > without a glitch.
> > >Your mileage may vary.
> > >
> > >Cheers,
> > >
> > >Bill
> > >
> > >On 11/19/2012 8:51 AM, Harry Binswanger wrote:
> > >>Bill,
> > >>
> > >>Thank you. You say that you had an old disk of XP,
> > so that means one has
> > >>to supply that oneself? It doesn't come with VM
> > player but does it with
> > >>XP compatibility mode?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>On 11/17/2012 7:11 PM, Harry Binswanger wrote:
> > >>>>I have read over all the posts on Win 7 64
> > but admit to being confused.
> > >>>>If I buy a 64 bit Win 7 laptop, doesn't it
> > include an "XP compatibility"
> > >>>>module? If so, will I be able to run Xy in
> > that?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>If not, I gather that VMware Player is the
> > best way to go. Am I correct
> > >>>>that it comes with a version of XP, so that
> > I don't have install that OS
> > >>>>from a disc?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Help appreciated.
> > >>>
> > >>>Harry,
> > >>>
> > >>>The XP compatibility module is part of Windows 7
> > (64-bit) Professional
> > >>>and highter only. My machine came, about six
> > months ago, with Home
> > >>>Premium, thus no XP, and I fully expected I
> > would take the offer to
> > >>>upgrade to Professional by now. But I decided to
> > try VMWare Player
> > >>>first, using an old XP disk that I already had.
> > It works extremely well
> > >>>for me, with the added advantage that I also
> > have a full install of
> > >>>Linux Ubuntu (12.04) also under under VMWare
> > Player. It's amazing what 8
> > >>>gigs of ram and a terabyte of disk space makes
> > possible. You don't need
> > >>>VMWare Desktop, just the free player. It works
> > well for me.
> > >>>
> > >>>Cheers,
> > >>>
> > >>>Bill TeBrake
> > >>>UMaine History Emeritus
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:17:37 -0500
> > From: Harry Binswanger mailto:hb@xxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Win 7 problem
> >
> > I suppose I could call MS support, but perhaps someone here
> > knows the
> > answer to this.
> >
> > Running Xy in Win 7 Ultimate 32 bit (note, not 64bit, this
> > is an older,
> > just 32 bit version of Win 7), Xy functions normally with
> > the unbelievable
> > exception that the shifting keys don't operate at all. When
> > I run http://IDKEY.PM,
> > there's no response to hitting the control key (doesn't go
> > to Table=CTRLX),
> > and I see the scan code on the comments line up top showing
> > numbers above
> > 20,000. But, strangely, if I hit, say, ctrl-a, it goes to
> > the unshifted a
> > (Table= ).
> >
> > VA/NV $CP shows code page 437. Is this an ANSI thing? What
> > gives?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:05:10 -0800 (PST)
> > From: J R FOX mailto:jr_fox@xxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: Win 7 64 bit
> >
> > --- On Sun, 11/18/12, William H. TeBrake mailto:tebrake@xxxxxxxx
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Harry,
> > >
> > > The XP compatibility module is part of Windows 7
> > (64-bit)
> > > Professional and highter only. My machine came, about
> > six
> > > months ago, with Home Premium, thus no XP, and I fully
> > > expected I would take the offer to upgrade to
> > Professional
> > > by now. But I decided to try VMWare Player first, using
> > an
> > > old XP disk that I already had.
> >
> >
> > I thought it was only the top two editions -- Ultimate or
> > Enterprise -- that included this ? However, I'm typing
> > this
> > from 7 Ult. 64, and I see no traces of it . . . but
> > then, I
> > have no idea where they might be hiding it. I've
> > already seen
> > that a lot of "non-essential" things (like FreeCell, for
> > example)
> > are turned OFF by default *in Enterprise*, until you hunt
> > down a
> > not so easily found place where they let you turn them back
> > ON.
> > Windoze does not necessarily make such things easy. I
> > can't even
> > find an easy access to specific site Cookies or Passwords in
> >
> > IE (by trying to scan through very long lists, as instructed
> > to
> > by the HELP system), whereas this takes but half a second in
> >
> > FireFox.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jordan
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:16:35 -0500
> > From: Harry Binswanger mailto:hb@xxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Problem disappeared
> >
> > It gets worser and worser.
> >
> > I tried a zillion things to get my keys (shifting and
> > otherwise) to work
> > right. Thinking it might be http://startup.int, I copied it to
> > startup.sav and
> > made a completely blank http://startup.int. That didn't fix
> > anything, but when I
> > copied startup.sav back to http://startup.int, suddenly everything
> > is hunky dory.
> >
> > In Win 7 I've been having intractable "Access is denied"
> > problems and in XP
> > a lot of similar ones, so I wonder if it's either Parallels
> > or a hard drive
> > (SSD) problem.
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > End of xywrite Digest V4 #107
> > *****************************
> >
> >