When I bought my first Win7 machine, I found DOS programs would not run on
64-bit. I purchased a copy of Home Premium, which provides disks for both 32-
and 64-bit versions. I loaded the 32-bit and XyWrite runs fine with a few
quirks, although I can't get it to send to the printer.
I use Word on a XyWrite file to do that. The biggest aggravation is that
XyWrite spontaneously begins to display cap letters in the middle of a sentence.
I can't figure out why.
Bob Ashley
Indianapolis
In a message dated 11/24/2012 2:59:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
hb@xxxxxxxx writes:
Jon,
This is disappoint to hear. I understand that XyWrite
needs XP's ntvdm.exe (and maybe other pgms like ntvdm.dll), and I wonder
if just forcing those into a System32 folder would do the trick.
Unlikely.
I ordered a Win 7 64 system (Lenovo) a couple of days ago.
When it arrives, I'll try various
things.
Regards, Harry
>When I got my Win 7 Pro computer I
tried running Editor.exe in XP >compatibility mode. No go. XyWrite is
not a 32-bit program--apparently the >minimum for Win 7. It appears to
me that XP compatibility mode is not the >same as having a virtual XP
installed (which is the VMWare solution--I >believe you need an XP disk
to install it in VMWare.) > >I'm running XY4 under
DOSBox. > >http://www.dosbox.com/download.php?main=1 > >I
ran Carl's Portable.PM in the old machine and copied that installation,
>as per Carl's
instructions. > >http://www.freelists.org/post/xywrite/Portable-Xy4-made-easy > >My
XY4 works in one, un-scalable size with the Courier font. TAMEDos
>doesn't run in DOSBox, and I haven't been able to change fonts with
XY's >Settings.dfl or anything else. You can change the window size
with DOSBox, >but the letters blur. Or you can run fullscreen, also
un-blurred. > >I don't print from XY, so I can't speak to
that. > >Still, XY in DOSBox does just about everything I need
(thesaurus, etc.) >except Carl's invaluable CLIP.exe program for
exchanging info between XY >and the Windows clipboard. However, I
did find this one-way program that >pastes from the Windows Clipboard
INTO XY with the PAUSE key (apparently >not a customizable
choice). >http://vogons.zetafleet.com/viewtopic.php?t=32714&sid=e28e387c9b2aff5e98e650778e715b13 > >For
pasting XY to Windows I open the XY file in, sigh, Notepad, and
>cut-and-paste. > >Carl had another method, using Nirsoft
utilities, but...it was over my
head. >http://www.nirsoft.net/ > >Search this mailing list
for his advice on Nirsoft. > >DOSBox has its own fairly
transparent settings program, dosbox.conf. For >instance, you may have
to change your display setting to VGAonly, and you >can make opening
DOSBox go directly to XY instead of having to manually >shell into XY
each time you open DOSBox. If you are interested in using >DOSBox
I can forward you a copy of my tweaked DOSBox settings. > >The
good thing about DOSBox is that it reads your XY installation as the
>C: drive, but Windows can also find it for the Notepad trick or other
>uses. You don't have to place XY inside a virtual machine that regular
>Windows can't access. > >When installing, I got some good
ideas from Ed Mendelson's Wordperfect for >DOS page, most of which I
have forgotten
now. > >http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/ > > >I
haven't tried the VMWare method, so if you have an XP installation disc,
>that might work just as well. But if not, DOSBox is
effective. > >Jon Pareles > > > >--- On
Tue, 11/20/12, FreeLists Mailing List Manager
> wrote: > > > From:
FreeLists Mailing List Manager > >
Subject: xywrite Digest V4 #107 > > To: "xywrite digest users"
> > Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2012,
1:06 AM > > xywrite Digest Mon, > > 19 Nov
2012 Volume: 04 Issue: 107 > > > > In
This Issue: > > Re: Win 7 64
bit > > > >
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> > > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 08:51:32 -0500 > > From:
Harry Binswanger > > Subject: Re: Win 7 64
bit > > > > Bill, > > > > Thank you. You
say that you had an old disk of XP, so that > > means one has
to > > supply that oneself? It doesn't come with VM player but
does > > it with XP > > compatibility mode? >
> > > > > >On 11/17/2012 7:11 PM, Harry Binswanger
wrote: > > >>I have read over all the posts on Win 7 64 but
admit > > to being confused. > > >>If I buy a 64 bit
Win 7 laptop, doesn't it include > > an "XP compatibility" >
> >>module? If so, will I be able to run Xy in that? > >
>> > > >>If not, I gather that VMware Player is the best
way > > to go. Am I correct > > >>that it comes with a
version of XP, so that I don't > > have install that OS > >
>>from a disc? > > >> > > >>Help
appreciated. > > >> > > > > >
>Harry, > > > > > >The XP compatibility module is
part of Windows 7 > > (64-bit) Professional and > >
>highter only. My machine came, about six months ago, > > with
Home Premium, > > >thus no XP, and I fully expected I would take
the offer > > to upgrade to > > >Professional by now. But
I decided to try VMWare Player > > first, using an > >
>old XP disk that I already had. It works extremely well > > for
me, with the > > >added advantage that I also have a full install
of Linux > > Ubuntu (12.04) > > >also under under VMWare
Player. It's amazing what 8 gigs > > of ram and a > >
>terabyte of disk space makes possible. You don't need > > VMWare
Desktop, just > > >the free player. It works well for me. >
> > > > >Cheers, > > > > > >Bill
TeBrake > > >UMaine History Emeritus > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
------------------------------ > > > > Date: Mon, 19 Nov
2012 10:26:35 -0500 > > From: "William H. TeBrake"
> > Subject: Re: Win 7 64 bit >
> > > Harry, > > > > As I understand it, Win 7
Pro or above includes some version > > of XP to > > provide
the compatibility. Perhaps someone who has the Pro > > version
can > > correct me if I am wrong. In my case, I replaced an old
Dell > > desktop > > with a new Dell, and the new Dell
accepted the XP > > "reinstall" disk that > > came with the
old Dell. VMWare Player allows you to set up > > space (both >
> ram and hard disk) to run other operating systems within it. > >
So, on my > > new wide-screen monitor I can have my Win 7 machine on
the > > left and XP > > (and/or Ubuntu) running on the right
within VMWare Player, > > allowing me > > to drag and drop
between them and much more. VMWare > > has utilities
that > > allow the OSs running within it to use printer,
scanner, > > network > > connection, etc., from the host
machine (Win 7). So far, > > this has worked > > flawlessly
for me. For example, I am a NotaBene user (have > > version 9
on > > the XP machine and beta of version 10 on Win 7) and can
keep > > files > > created/edited on one of those sync with
the files on the > > other > > automatically using Dropbox.
This is because the indexing > > modules for > > the
bibliography and text manipulation parts of NotaBene -- > > yes,
I'm > > very dependent on them -- are still being developed. I
just > > try to make > > sure that I don't edit the same
file simultaneously in both > > versions. So > > far, it has
worked without a glitch. Your mileage may vary. > > > >
Cheers, > > > > Bill > > > > On 11/19/2012
8:51 AM, Harry Binswanger wrote: > > > Bill, > >
> > > > Thank you. You say that you had an old disk of XP,
so > > that means one > > > has to supply that oneself?
It doesn't come with VM > > player but does it > > > with
XP compatibility mode? > > > > > > > >
>> On 11/17/2012 7:11 PM, Harry Binswanger wrote: > >
>>> I have read over all the posts on Win 7 64 but > > admit
to being confused. > > >>> If I buy a 64 bit Win 7 laptop,
doesn't it > > include an "XP > > >>>
compatibility" > > >>> module? If so, will I be able to run
Xy in > > that? > > >>> > > >>>
If not, I gather that VMware Player is the best > > way to go. Am I
correct > > >>> that it comes with a version of XP, so that
I > > don't have install > > >>> that OS >
> >>> from a disc? > > >>> > >
>>> Help appreciated. > > >>> > >
>> > > >> Harry, > > >> > >
>> The XP compatibility module is part of Windows 7 > >
(64-bit) > > >> Professional and highter only. My machine
came, > > about six months ago, > > >> with Home
Premium, thus no XP, and I fully expected > > I would take
the > > >> offer to upgrade to Professional by now. But
I > > decided to try VMWare > > >> Player first, using
an old XP disk that I already > > had. It works > > >>
extremely well for me, with the added advantage > > that I also have
a > > >> full install of Linux Ubuntu (12.04) also
under > > under VMWare Player. > > >> It's amazing
what 8 gigs of ram and a terabyte of > > disk space makes >
> >> possible. You don't need VMWare Desktop, just the > >
free player. It > > >> works well for me. > >
>> > > >> Cheers, > > >> > >
>> Bill TeBrake > > >> UMaine History Emeritus >
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------ >
> > > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:10:31 -0500 > > From:
Harry Binswanger > > Subject: Re: Win 7 64
bit > > > > Thanks very much Bill. This does answer my
question. > > > > Regards, > > Harry >
> > > >Harry, > > > > > >As I
understand it, Win 7 Pro or above includes some > > version of XP
to > > >provide the compatibility. Perhaps someone who has
the > > Pro version can > > >correct me if I am wrong. In
my case, I replaced an old > > Dell desktop with > > >a
new Dell, and the new Dell accepted the XP "reinstall" > > disk that
came > > >with the old Dell. VMWare Player allows you to set
up > > space (both ram and > > >hard disk) to run other
operating systems within it. So, > > on my new > >
>wide-screen monitor I can have my Win 7 machine on the > > left
and XP (and/or > > >Ubuntu) running on the right within VMWare
Player, > > allowing me to drag and > > >drop between
them and much more. VMWare has > > utilities that allow the
OSs > > >running within it to use printer, scanner,
network > > connection, etc., from > > >the host machine
(Win 7). So far, this has worked > > flawlessly for me. For >
> >example, I am a NotaBene user (have version 9 on the XP > >
machine and beta > > >of version 10 on Win 7) and can keep
files > > created/edited on one of those > > >sync with
the files on the other automatically using > > Dropbox. This
is > > >because the indexing modules for the bibliography
and > > text manipulation > > >parts of NotaBene -- yes,
I'm very dependent on them -- > > are still being > >
>developed. I just try to make sure that I don't edit the > > same
file > > >simultaneously in both versions. So far, it has
worked > > without a glitch. > > >Your mileage may
vary. > > > > > >Cheers, > > > >
> >Bill > > > > > >On 11/19/2012 8:51 AM, Harry
Binswanger wrote: > > >>Bill, > > >> >
> >>Thank you. You say that you had an old disk of XP, > >
so that means one has > > >>to supply that oneself? It doesn't
come with VM > > player but does it with > > >>XP
compatibility mode? > > >> > > >> > >
>>>On 11/17/2012 7:11 PM, Harry Binswanger wrote: > >
>>>>I have read over all the posts on Win 7 64 > > but
admit to being confused. > > >>>>If I buy a 64 bit Win 7
laptop, doesn't it > > include an "XP compatibility" > >
>>>>module? If so, will I be able to run Xy in > >
that? > > >>>> > > >>>>If not, I
gather that VMware Player is the > > best way to go. Am I
correct > > >>>>that it comes with a version of XP, so
that > > I don't have install that OS > >
>>>>from a disc? > > >>>> > >
>>>>Help appreciated. > > >>> > >
>>>Harry, > > >>> > > >>>The XP
compatibility module is part of Windows 7 > > (64-bit)
Professional > > >>>and highter only. My machine came, about
six > > months ago, with Home > > >>>Premium, thus
no XP, and I fully expected I > > would take the offer to >
> >>>upgrade to Professional by now. But I decided to > >
try VMWare Player > > >>>first, using an old XP disk that I
already had. > > It works extremely well > > >>>for
me, with the added advantage that I also > > have a full install
of > > >>>Linux Ubuntu (12.04) also under under
VMWare > > Player. It's amazing what 8 > > >>>gigs
of ram and a terabyte of disk space makes > > possible. You don't
need > > >>>VMWare Desktop, just the free player. It
works > > well for me. > > >>> > >
>>>Cheers, > > >>> > > >>>Bill
TeBrake > > >>>UMaine History Emeritus > >
>> > > >> > > > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------ >
> > > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:17:37 -0500 > > From:
Harry Binswanger > > Subject: Win 7
problem > > > > I suppose I could call MS support, but
perhaps someone here > > knows the > > answer to
this. > > > > Running Xy in Win 7 Ultimate 32 bit (note, not
64bit, this > > is an older, > > just 32 bit version of Win
7), Xy functions normally with > > the unbelievable > >
exception that the shifting keys don't operate at all. When > > I run
IDKEY.PM, > > there's no response to hitting the control key (doesn't
go > > to Table=CTRLX), > > and I see the scan code on the
comments line up top showing > > numbers above > > 20,000.
But, strangely, if I hit, say, ctrl-a, it goes to > > the unshifted
a > > (Table= ). > > > > VA/NV $CP shows code page
437. Is this an ANSI thing? What > > gives? > > > >
Thanks. > > > > > >
------------------------------ > > > > Date: Mon, 19 Nov
2012 11:05:10 -0800 (PST) > > From: J R FOX
> > Subject: Re: Win 7 64 bit >
> > > --- On Sun, 11/18/12, William H. TeBrake
> > wrote: > > > > >
Harry, > > > > > > The XP compatibility module is part
of Windows 7 > > (64-bit) > > > Professional and highter
only. My machine came, about > > six > > > months ago,
with Home Premium, thus no XP, and I fully > > > expected I would
take the offer to upgrade to > > Professional > > > by
now. But I decided to try VMWare Player first, using > > an >
> > old XP disk that I already had. > > > > >
> I thought it was only the top two editions -- Ultimate or > >
Enterprise -- that included this ? However, I'm typing > >
this > > from 7 Ult. 64, and I see no traces of it . . .
but > > then, I > > have no idea where they might be hiding
it. I've > > already seen > > that a lot of
"non-essential" things (like FreeCell, for > > example) > >
are turned OFF by default *in Enterprise*, until you hunt > > down
a > > not so easily found place where they let you turn them
back > > ON. > > Windoze does not necessarily make such
things easy. I > > can't even > > find an easy access
to specific site Cookies or Passwords in > > > > IE (by
trying to scan through very long lists, as instructed > > to >
> by the HELP system), whereas this takes but half a second in >
> > > FireFox. > > > > > > >
> Jordan > > > > > >
------------------------------ > > > > Date: Mon, 19 Nov
2012 17:16:35 -0500 > > From: Harry Binswanger
> > Subject: Problem disappeared >
> > > It gets worser and worser. > > > > I tried
a zillion things to get my keys (shifting and > > otherwise) to
work > > right. Thinking it might be startup.int, I copied it
to > > startup.sav and > > made a completely blank
startup.int. That didn't fix > > anything, but when I > >
copied startup.sav back to startup.int, suddenly everything > > is
hunky dory. > > > > In Win 7 I've been having intractable
"Access is denied" > > problems and in XP > > a lot of
similar ones, so I wonder if it's either Parallels > > or a hard
drive > > (SSD) problem. > > > > > >
------------------------------ > > > > End of xywrite Digest
V4 #107 > > ***************************** > > >
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