Re: what/where are the Vista basics?

["Andy Turnbull" andyt@xxxxxxxx]

Thanks. I never heard of XP pro -- is it different? I started with the New
York Times keyboard, and got it customized from there. Does pro have any
advantages?
Matter of interest -- in my setup xy is loaded below windows, and my files
are held in directory \A, which is also below windows. Is this the standard
setup? I can start it from an icon on the desktop.

andy t
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisa Kleinholz" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: what/where are the Vista basics?
Like you Andy, I want to write and not worry about settings. I'm using XP
Pro, which I never bothered to upgrade, on my Thinkpad with TameDos 4.5. It
was an easy install (years ago) and immediately solved CPU problems. I
haven't tried to mess with fonts once I got Xy set up on that computer
(before loading Tame).

Lisa

--- On Sun, 10/4/09, Andy Turnbull  wrote:
From: Andy Turnbull 
Subject: Re: what/where are the Vista basics?
To: xywrite@xxxxxxxx
Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 6:31 PM
I'll got the the simplest possible
setup. I want one typeface that I can
read, and then I want to forget it. The people I write for
do their own
typesetting, and I don't second guess them.

I guess when I get up the nerve to try Tame, I will
probably go for the
earliest possible version -- on the assumption that that is
the simplest.

andy t
----- Original Message -----
From: "Myron Gochnauer" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: what/where are the Vista basics?


> Harry,
>
> If that is your screen, could you give us the settings
you used?
>
> Tame has at least three settings files that are simply
text files.
> Perhaps you could copy them into a posting.
>
> Myron
>
> On 2009-10-04, at 12:53 PM, Harry Binswanger wrote:
>
>> Andy,
>>
>> Okay, I agree with Maben, below.
>>
>> If you want to see what kind of screen Tame can
produce, go to:
>>
>> www.hblist.com/Xy-Tame.jpg
>>
>> Note, URL is case-sensitive.
>>
>>
>>> Andy:
>>>
>>> My advice is a bit different from
Harry's. I would not download the
>>> latest version. It you are at all
uncertain, and are not quite sure
>>> about what the latest versions of TAME
can do, you could get
>>> yourself
>>> into a bit of a mess. Of course,
it is easy enough to get out of
>>> the
>>> mess, but it could discourage you from
trying the early versions.
>>> So
>>> try an early version first. It
will do what you want, reduce CPU
>>> hogging. As for the rest of
Harry's comment, I agree with him.
>>> NOTE:
>>> the earlier version are lower down on
TAME Dos's download page. I
>>> think the one in the middle position may
be the version you want.
>>>
>>> If you want to try later versions after,
then go ahead. The later
>>> versions, and very specifically Ver. 5.1
Pre 7, which seems to be
>>> the
>>> version that a few of us like, allows
you to configure your screen
>>> in
>>> a number of ways that are not accessible
in regular DOS. For
>>> instance,
>>> you can see italic fonts on screen,
...no underlining , if you don't
>>> want it, and no backgrounds of a
different colour to symbolise
>>> italic.
>>> Same for bold, etc. As for screen
colours, they can be the way
>>> you like
>>> them, etc., plus a number of other
features.
>>>
>>> M. W. Poirier
>>>
>>>
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> On Sun, 4 Oct 2009, Harry Binswanger wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think it's free trial and then $25 if
you want to keep it.
>>>> There's essentially zero support. The
author, David Thomas, used
>>>> to do things for us, but now is reclusive.
Also, when he does
>>>> communicate, his language is terse and
fairly incomprehensible.
>>>>
>>>> That said, it's worth trying It's a simple
install (takes about 10
>>>> seconds), and not invasive. I'd just
download whatever is the
>>>> latest version (the one he offers for
downloading at tamedos.com).
>>>> Give it a whirl and see if it works for
you out of the box.
>>>>
>>>> Several of us here have been running Xy in
Tame versions for years.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> sounds interesting, but I'm suspicious
and I can't find any
>>>>> reviews. Their website also doesn't
tell me what it costs.
>>>>> Any comments, for or against this
program?
>>>>> also, at least one website seems to
offer it for free. what's
>>>>> the difference between the early or
later versions?
>>>>> andy t
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From:
"M.W. Poirier"
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> To: 
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 6:47
PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: what/where are the Vista
basics?
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm about to sound like
Harry, but download TAME DOS, and you
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> see your CPU usage
fall. Download one of the early versions,
>>>>>> if you
>>>>>> don't need all the features
of later versions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> M. W. Poirier
>>>>>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> On Sat, 3 Oct 2009, Andy Turnbull
wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Interesting. I had heard
before that dos was a memory hog in
>>>>>>> windows, but
>>>>>>> never tested.
>>>>>>> I run xy iiia (I can't make iv
work well) in a 3-4 year old
>>>>>>> toshiba laptop,
>>>>>>> with about 1.5 megs of ram.
After reading this I did ctrl+alt
>>>>>>> +delete on
>>>>>>> windows, selected the
'performance' tab and watched while I
>>>>>>> opened a file and
>>>>>>> wrote something in xywrite.
cpu usage shot up to about 90%!
>>>>>>> surprise -- but I've kept the
thing open while I write this,
>>>>>>> and usage is
>>>>>>> still running 70 - 90%
-- and this is a windows program.
>>>>>>> I wonder how the old machines
got by with somuch less memory?
>>>>>>> andy t
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Troop" >>>>>> >
>>>>>>> To: 
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 03,
2009 5:29 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: what/where are the
Vista basics?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I guess I must enjoy the
sound of groaning, or I wouldn't be
>>>>>>>> asking
>>>>>>>> the following:
>>>>>>>> I've been running XyWrite
IV under Vista for about a year and
>>>>>>>> a half
>>>>>>>> on what was at the time a
powerful Dell 1720 laptop.
>>>>>>>> Strangely, it has taken
all this time for me to notice that if
>>>>>>>> XyWrite isn't running, my
CPU usage is around 20% rather than
>>>>>>>> 80%
>>>>>>>> when it is running. I
guess that's because I use XyWrite all
>>>>>>>> the time.
>>>>>>>> Obviously, there must be
some basic things I have failed to
>>>>>>>> set up
>>>>>>>> properly. Do we have
anything resembling a Vista guide? I've
>>>>>>>> done a
>>>>>>>> bit of a search through
the list archives and via Google, not
>>>>>>>> coming
>>>>>>>> up with anything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>> hb@xxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>
>>
>> Harry Binswanger
>> hb@xxxxxxxx
>>
>>
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