Re: what/where are the Vista basics?

[Lisa Kleinholz lkleinholz@xxxxxxxx]

Like you Andy, I want to write and not worry about settings. I'm using XP Pro, which I never bothered to upgrade, on my Thinkpad with TameDos 4.5. It was an easy install (years ago) and immediately solved CPU problems. I haven't tried to mess with fonts once I got Xy set up on that computer (before loading Tame).

Lisa

--- On Sun, 10/4/09, Andy Turnbull  wrote:

> From: Andy Turnbull 
> Subject: Re: what/where are the Vista basics?
> To: xywrite@xxxxxxxx
> Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 6:31 PM
> I'll got the the simplest possible
> setup. I want one typeface that I can
> read, and then I want to forget it. The people I write for
> do their own
> typesetting, and I don't second guess them.
>
> I guess when I get up the nerve to try Tame, I will
> probably go for the
> earliest possible version -- on the assumption that that is
> the simplest.
>
> andy t
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Myron Gochnauer" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 2:27 PM
> Subject: Re: what/where are the Vista basics?
>
>
> > Harry,
> >
> > If that is your screen, could you give us the settings
> you used?
> >
> > Tame has at least three settings files that are simply
> text files.
> > Perhaps you could copy them into a posting.
> >
> > Myron
> >
> > On 2009-10-04, at 12:53 PM, Harry Binswanger wrote:
> >
> >> Andy,
> >>
> >> Okay, I agree with Maben, below.
> >>
> >> If you want to see what kind of screen Tame can
> produce, go to:
> >>
> >> www.hblist.com/Xy-Tame.jpg
> >>
> >> Note, URL is case-sensitive.
> >>
> >>
> >>>  Andy:
> >>>
> >>>  My advice is a bit different from
> Harry's.  I would not download the
> >>>  latest version.  It you are at all
> uncertain, and are not quite sure
> >>>  about what the latest versions of TAME
> can do, you could get
> >>> yourself
> >>>  into a bit of a mess.  Of course,
> it is easy enough to get out of
> >>> the
> >>>  mess, but it could discourage you from
> trying the early versions.
> >>> So
> >>>  try an early version first.  It
> will do what you want, reduce CPU
> >>>  hogging.  As for the rest of
> Harry's comment, I agree with him.
> >>> NOTE:
> >>>  the earlier version are lower down on
> TAME Dos's download page.  I
> >>>  think the one in the middle position may
> be the version you want.
> >>>
> >>>  If you want to try later versions after,
> then go ahead.  The later
> >>>  versions, and very specifically Ver. 5.1
> Pre 7, which seems to be
> >>> the
> >>>  version that a few of us like, allows
> you to configure your screen
> >>> in
> >>>  a number of ways that are not accessible
> in regular DOS.  For
> >>> instance,
> >>>  you can see italic fonts on screen,
> ...no underlining , if you don't
> >>>  want it, and no backgrounds of a
> different colour to symbolise
> >>> italic.
> >>>  Same for bold, etc.  As for screen
> colours, they can be the way
> >>> you like
> >>>  them, etc., plus a number of other
> features.
> >>>
> >>>  M. W. Poirier
> >>>
> >>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> On Sun, 4 Oct 2009, Harry Binswanger wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I think it's free trial and then $25 if
> you want to keep it.
> >>>> There's essentially zero support. The
> author, David Thomas, used
> >>>> to do things for us, but now is reclusive.
> Also, when he does
> >>>> communicate, his language is terse and
> fairly incomprehensible.
> >>>>
> >>>> That said, it's worth trying It's a simple
> install (takes about 10
> >>>> seconds), and not invasive. I'd just
> download whatever is the
> >>>> latest version (the one he offers for
> downloading at tamedos.com).
> >>>> Give it a whirl and see if it works for
> you out of the box.
> >>>>
> >>>> Several of us here have been running Xy in
> Tame versions for years.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> sounds interesting, but I'm suspicious
> and I can't find any
> >>>>> reviews. Their website also doesn't
> tell me what it costs.
> >>>>> Any comments, for or against this
> program?
> >>>>> also, at least one website seems to
> offer it for free.  what's
> >>>>> the difference between the early or
> later versions?
> >>>>> andy t
> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From:
> "M.W. Poirier"
> >>>>>  >>>>> >
> >>>>> To: 
> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 6:47
> PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: what/where are the Vista
> basics?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  I'm about to sound like
> Harry, but download TAME DOS, and you
> >>>>>> will
> >>>>>>  see your CPU usage
> fall.  Download one of the early versions,
> >>>>>> if you
> >>>>>>  don't need all the features
> of later versions.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  M. W. Poirier
> >>>>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>> On Sat, 3 Oct 2009, Andy Turnbull
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Interesting. I had heard
> before that dos was a memory hog in
> >>>>>>> windows, but
> >>>>>>> never tested.
> >>>>>>> I run xy iiia (I can't make iv
> work well) in a 3-4 year old
> >>>>>>> toshiba laptop,
> >>>>>>> with about 1.5 megs of ram.
> After reading this I did ctrl+alt
> >>>>>>> +delete on
> >>>>>>> windows, selected the
> 'performance' tab and watched while I
> >>>>>>> opened a file and
> >>>>>>> wrote something in xywrite.
> cpu usage shot up to about 90%!
> >>>>>>> surprise -- but I've kept the
> thing open while I write this,
> >>>>>>> and usage is
> >>>>>>> still running 70 - 90% 
> -- and this is a windows program.
> >>>>>>> I wonder how the old machines
> got by with somuch less memory?
> >>>>>>> andy t
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Troop"  >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> To: 
> >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 03,
> 2009 5:29 PM
> >>>>>>> Subject: what/where are the
> Vista basics?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I guess I must enjoy the
> sound of groaning, or I wouldn't be
> >>>>>>>> asking
> >>>>>>>> the following:
> >>>>>>>> I've been running XyWrite
> IV under Vista for about a year and
> >>>>>>>> a half
> >>>>>>>> on what was at the time a
> powerful Dell 1720 laptop.
> >>>>>>>> Strangely, it has taken
> all this time for me to notice that if
> >>>>>>>> XyWrite isn't running, my
> CPU usage is around 20% rather than
> >>>>>>>> 80%
> >>>>>>>> when it is running. I
> guess that's because I use XyWrite all
> >>>>>>>> the time.
> >>>>>>>> Obviously, there must be
> some basic things I have failed to
> >>>>>>>> set up
> >>>>>>>> properly. Do we have
> anything resembling a Vista guide? I've
> >>>>>>>> done a
> >>>>>>>> bit of a search through
> the list archives and via Google, not
> >>>>>>>> coming
> >>>>>>>> up with anything.
> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>> Harry Binswanger
> >>>> hb@xxxxxxxx
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
> >> Harry Binswanger
> >> hb@xxxxxxxx
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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