Win 7 64 Bit

[Jon P xywrite4@xxxxxxxx]

When I got my Win 7 Pro computer I tried running Editor.exe in XP compatibility mode. No go. XyWrite is not a 32-bit program--apparently the minimum for Win 7. It appears to me that XP compatibility mode is not the same as having a virtual XP installed (which is the VMWare solution--I believe you need an XP disk to install it in VMWare.)

I'm running XY4 under DOSBox.

http://www.dosbox.com/download.php?main=1

I ran Carl's Portable.PM in the old machine and copied that installation, as per Carl's
instructions.

http://www.freelists.org/post/xywrite/Portable-Xy4-made-easy

My XY4 works in one, un-scalable size with the Courier font. TAMEDos doesn't run in DOSBox, and I
haven't been able to change fonts with XY's Settings.dfl or anything else. You can change the window
size with DOSBox, but the letters blur. Or you can run fullscreen, also un-blurred.

I don't print from XY, so I can't speak to that.

Still, XY in DOSBox does just about everything I need (thesaurus, etc.) except Carl's invaluable
CLIP.exe program for exchanging info between XY and the Windows clipboard.  However, I did find
this one-way program that pastes from the Windows Clipboard INTO XY with the PAUSE key (apparently
not a customizable choice).
http://vogons.zetafleet.com/viewtopic.php?t=32714&sid=e28e387c9b2aff5e98e650778e715b13

For pasting XY to Windows I open the XY file in, sigh, Notepad, and cut-and-paste.

Carl had another method, using Nirsoft utilities, but...it was over my head.
http://www.nirsoft.net/

Search this mailing list for his advice on Nirsoft.

DOSBox has its own fairly transparent settings program, dosbox.conf. For instance, you may have to
change your display setting to VGAonly, and you can make opening DOSBox go directly to XY instead of
having to manually shell into XY each time you open DOSBox.  If you are interested in using
DOSBox I can forward you a copy of my tweaked DOSBox settings.

The good thing about DOSBox is that it reads your XY installation as the C: drive, but Windows can
also find it for the Notepad trick or other uses. You don't have to place XY inside a virtual
machine that regular Windows can't access.

When installing, I got some good ideas from Ed Mendelson's Wordperfect for DOS page, most of which I
have forgotten now.

http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/


I haven't tried the VMWare method, so if you have an XP installation disc, that might work just as
well. But if not, DOSBox is effective.

Jon Pareles



--- On Tue, 11/20/12, FreeLists Mailing List Manager  wrote:

> From: FreeLists Mailing List Manager 
> Subject: xywrite Digest V4 #107
> To: "xywrite digest users" 
> Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 1:06 AM
> xywrite Digest    Mon,
> 19 Nov 2012    Volume: 04  Issue: 107
>
> In This Issue:
>         Re: Win 7 64 bit
>        
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 08:51:32 -0500
> From: Harry Binswanger 
> Subject: Re: Win 7 64 bit
>
> Bill,
>
> Thank you. You say that you had an old disk of XP, so that
> means one has to
> supply that oneself? It doesn't come with VM player but does
> it with XP
> compatibility mode?
>
>
> >On 11/17/2012 7:11 PM, Harry Binswanger wrote:
> >>I have read over all the posts on Win 7 64 but admit
> to being confused.
> >>If I buy a 64 bit Win 7 laptop, doesn't it include
> an "XP compatibility"
> >>module? If so, will I be able to run Xy in that?
> >>
> >>If not, I gather that VMware Player is the best way
> to go. Am I correct
> >>that it comes with a version of XP, so that I don't
> have install that OS
> >>from a disc?
> >>
> >>Help appreciated.
> >>
> >
> >Harry,
> >
> >The XP compatibility module is part of Windows 7
> (64-bit) Professional and
> >highter only. My machine came, about six months ago,
> with Home Premium,
> >thus no XP, and I fully expected I would take the offer
> to upgrade to
> >Professional by now. But I decided to try VMWare Player
> first, using an
> >old XP disk that I already had. It works extremely well
> for me, with the
> >added advantage that I also have a full install of Linux
> Ubuntu (12.04)
> >also under under VMWare Player. It's amazing what 8 gigs
> of ram and a
> >terabyte of disk space makes possible. You don't need
> VMWare Desktop, just
> >the free player. It works well for me.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >
> >Bill TeBrake
> >UMaine History Emeritus
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:26:35 -0500
> From: "William H. TeBrake" 
> Subject: Re: Win 7 64 bit
>
> Harry,
>
> As I understand it, Win 7 Pro or above includes some version
> of XP to
> provide the compatibility. Perhaps someone who has the Pro
> version can
> correct me if I am wrong. In my case, I replaced an old Dell
> desktop
> with a new Dell, and the new Dell accepted the XP
> "reinstall" disk that
> came with the old Dell. VMWare Player allows you to set up
> space (both
> ram and hard disk) to run other operating systems within it.
> So, on my
> new wide-screen monitor I can have my Win 7 machine on the
> left and XP
> (and/or Ubuntu) running on the right within VMWare Player,
> allowing me
> to drag and drop between them and much more.  VMWare
> has utilities that
> allow the OSs running within it to use printer, scanner,
> network
> connection, etc., from the host machine (Win 7). So far,
> this has worked
> flawlessly for me. For example, I am a NotaBene user (have
> version 9 on
> the XP machine and beta of version 10 on Win 7) and can keep
> files
> created/edited on one of those sync with the files on the
> other
> automatically using Dropbox. This is because the indexing
> modules for
> the bibliography and text manipulation parts of NotaBene --
> yes, I'm
> very dependent on them -- are still being developed. I just
> try to make
> sure that I don't edit the same file simultaneously in both
> versions. So
> far, it has worked without a glitch. Your mileage may vary.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bill
>
> On 11/19/2012 8:51 AM, Harry Binswanger wrote:
> > Bill,
> >
> > Thank you. You say that you had an old disk of XP, so
> that means one
> > has to supply that oneself? It doesn't come with VM
> player but does it
> > with XP compatibility mode?
> >
> >
> >> On 11/17/2012 7:11 PM, Harry Binswanger wrote:
> >>> I have read over all the posts on Win 7 64 but
> admit to being confused.
> >>> If I buy a 64 bit Win 7 laptop, doesn't it
> include an "XP
> >>> compatibility"
> >>> module? If so, will I be able to run Xy in
> that?
> >>>
> >>> If not, I gather that VMware Player is the best
> way to go. Am I correct
> >>> that it comes with a version of XP, so that I
> don't have install
> >>> that OS
> >>> from a disc?
> >>>
> >>> Help appreciated.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Harry,
> >>
> >> The XP compatibility module is part of Windows 7
> (64-bit)
> >> Professional and highter only. My machine came,
> about six months ago,
> >> with Home Premium, thus no XP, and I fully expected
> I would take the
> >> offer to upgrade to Professional by now. But I
> decided to try VMWare
> >> Player first, using an old XP disk that I already
> had. It works
> >> extremely well for me, with the added advantage
> that I also have a
> >> full install of Linux Ubuntu (12.04) also under
> under VMWare Player.
> >> It's amazing what 8 gigs of ram and a terabyte of
> disk space makes
> >> possible. You don't need VMWare Desktop, just the
> free player. It
> >> works well for me.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Bill TeBrake
> >> UMaine History Emeritus
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:10:31 -0500
> From: Harry Binswanger 
> Subject: Re: Win 7 64 bit
>
> Thanks very much Bill. This does answer my question.
>
> Regards,
> Harry
>
> >Harry,
> >
> >As I understand it, Win 7 Pro or above includes some
> version of XP to
> >provide the compatibility. Perhaps someone who has the
> Pro version can
> >correct me if I am wrong. In my case, I replaced an old
> Dell desktop with
> >a new Dell, and the new Dell accepted the XP "reinstall"
> disk that came
> >with the old Dell. VMWare Player allows you to set up
> space (both ram and
> >hard disk) to run other operating systems within it. So,
> on my new
> >wide-screen monitor I can have my Win 7 machine on the
> left and XP (and/or
> >Ubuntu) running on the right within VMWare Player,
> allowing me to drag and
> >drop between them and much more.  VMWare has
> utilities that allow the OSs
> >running within it to use printer, scanner, network
> connection, etc., from
> >the host machine (Win 7). So far, this has worked
> flawlessly for me. For
> >example, I am a NotaBene user (have version 9 on the XP
> machine and beta
> >of version 10 on Win 7) and can keep files
> created/edited on one of those
> >sync with the files on the other automatically using
> Dropbox. This is
> >because the indexing modules for the bibliography and
> text manipulation
> >parts of NotaBene -- yes, I'm very dependent on them --
> are still being
> >developed. I just try to make sure that I don't edit the
> same file
> >simultaneously in both versions. So far, it has worked
> without a glitch.
> >Your mileage may vary.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >
> >Bill
> >
> >On 11/19/2012 8:51 AM, Harry Binswanger wrote:
> >>Bill,
> >>
> >>Thank you. You say that you had an old disk of XP,
> so that means one has
> >>to supply that oneself? It doesn't come with VM
> player but does it with
> >>XP compatibility mode?
> >>
> >>
> >>>On 11/17/2012 7:11 PM, Harry Binswanger wrote:
> >>>>I have read over all the posts on Win 7 64
> but admit to being confused.
> >>>>If I buy a 64 bit Win 7 laptop, doesn't it
> include an "XP compatibility"
> >>>>module? If so, will I be able to run Xy in
> that?
> >>>>
> >>>>If not, I gather that VMware Player is the
> best way to go. Am I correct
> >>>>that it comes with a version of XP, so that
> I don't have install that OS
> >>>>from a disc?
> >>>>
> >>>>Help appreciated.
> >>>
> >>>Harry,
> >>>
> >>>The XP compatibility module is part of Windows 7
> (64-bit) Professional
> >>>and highter only. My machine came, about six
> months ago, with Home
> >>>Premium, thus no XP, and I fully expected I
> would take the offer to
> >>>upgrade to Professional by now. But I decided to
> try VMWare Player
> >>>first, using an old XP disk that I already had.
> It works extremely well
> >>>for me, with the added advantage that I also
> have a full install of
> >>>Linux Ubuntu (12.04) also under under VMWare
> Player. It's amazing what 8
> >>>gigs of ram and a terabyte of disk space makes
> possible. You don't need
> >>>VMWare Desktop, just the free player. It works
> well for me.
> >>>
> >>>Cheers,
> >>>
> >>>Bill TeBrake
> >>>UMaine History Emeritus
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:17:37 -0500
> From: Harry Binswanger 
> Subject: Win 7 problem
>
> I suppose I could call MS support, but perhaps someone here
> knows the
> answer to this.
>
> Running Xy in Win 7 Ultimate 32 bit (note, not 64bit, this
> is an older,
> just 32 bit version of Win 7), Xy functions normally with
> the unbelievable
> exception that the shifting keys don't operate at all. When
> I run IDKEY.PM,
> there's no response to hitting the control key (doesn't go
> to Table=CTRLX),
> and I see the scan code on the comments line up top showing
> numbers above
> 20,000. But, strangely, if I hit, say, ctrl-a, it goes to
> the unshifted a
> (Table= ).
>
> VA/NV $CP shows code page 437. Is this an ANSI thing? What
> gives?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:05:10 -0800 (PST)
> From: J R FOX 
> Subject: Re: Win 7 64 bit
>
> --- On Sun, 11/18/12, William H. TeBrake 
> wrote:
>
> > Harry,
> >
> > The XP compatibility module is part of Windows 7
> (64-bit)
> > Professional and highter only. My machine came, about
> six
> > months ago, with Home Premium, thus no XP, and I fully
> > expected I would take the offer to upgrade to
> Professional
> > by now. But I decided to try VMWare Player first, using
> an
> > old XP disk that I already had.
>
>
> I thought it was only the top two editions -- Ultimate or
> Enterprise -- that included this ?  However, I'm typing
> this
> from 7 Ult. 64, and I see no traces of it . . .  but
> then, I
> have no idea where they might be hiding it.  I've
> already seen
> that a lot of "non-essential" things (like FreeCell, for
> example)
> are turned OFF by default *in Enterprise*, until you hunt
> down a
> not so easily found place where they let you turn them back
> ON. 
> Windoze does not necessarily make such things easy.  I
> can't even
> find an easy access to specific site Cookies or Passwords in
>
> IE (by trying to scan through very long lists, as instructed
> to
> by the HELP system), whereas this takes but half a second in
>
> FireFox.
>
>
>
>    Jordan
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:16:35 -0500
> From: Harry Binswanger 
> Subject: Problem disappeared
>
> It gets worser and worser.
>
> I tried a zillion things to get my keys (shifting and
> otherwise) to work
> right. Thinking it might be startup.int, I copied it to
> startup.sav and
> made a completely blank startup.int. That didn't fix
> anything, but when I
> copied startup.sav back to startup.int, suddenly everything
> is hunky dory.
>
> In Win 7 I've been having intractable "Access is denied"
> problems and in XP
> a lot of similar ones, so I wonder if it's either Parallels
> or a hard drive
> (SSD) problem.
>
>
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